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Our American Stories

“Don’t Give Up the Ship”: How a Naval Order Became a Lasting Motto

Our American Stories

iHeartPodcasts

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.6817 Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of Our American Stories, it’s not carved into marble or codified into law, but you’ll hear it whispered in cockpits and painted on the walls of Navy offices across the world: “Don’t Give Up the Ship.” The phrase didn’t come from a slogan factory. It came from the dying words of Captain James Lawrence during the Battle of Lake Erie, shouted in defiance as his ship slipped beneath the water. Over time, those words stitched themselves into the culture of the United States Navy. Entrepreneur and America’s Cup champion Bill Koch joins us to explain what it means and why it still matters—especially to his family.

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.3

Guaranteed Human.

0:14.2

And we return to our American stories.

0:17.8

Up next, a story from Bill Coke.

0:20.4

Bill is an entrepreneur with 1,300 employees, and he's

0:23.3

well known for winning the world's top sailing competition, the America's Cup, on his first try.

0:29.8

That might sound wild at first, but it turns out that Bill has sailing in his blood.

0:35.4

Here's Bill to tell the story of the War of 1812. The Navy's motto,

0:40.7

don't give up this ship and how it all relates to him. Take it away, Bill. Well, the War of 1812

0:47.6

was really some people call it the second revolutionary war because what the British did here is they made a calculation

0:57.8

and it was better to withdraw than to spend all the money and energy and stuff

1:05.0

trying to keep the colonies intact and what started the war of 1812 was two things.

1:14.6

The British were insisting by force that any trade going from one U.S. port to another

1:26.6

had to be done in a British ship.

1:30.3

And also, they wanted to govern all the trade routes going to Europe.

1:36.3

And then the British Navy would then halt a merchant ship,

1:41.3

United States merchant ship, and take off the very young good sailors

1:45.3

and essentially make them slaves on the British boats.

1:50.5

In fact, I'll tell you something that's very interesting.

1:53.7

You know where the phrase son of a gun came from?

1:57.0

It means, you know, a illegitimate child, a bastard.

2:00.9

And on the British ships, they would name each canon, Henry, George, Alex, Bill, Charles, Harold, etc.

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