They've already, you know, established connections with major governing bodies or agencies like

the United Nations. They've, you know, fostered connections with tech billionaires like Elon Musk

and so on. As a result, they're in a position to change the world in really significant, very non-trivial ways. And yet, again, that theoretical

foundation is just pretty weak. And I think that's a big problem. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks, and this week my guest is Emil Torres.

Emil is a PhD candidate at Leibniz University in Hanover, Germany, and the author of the

forthcoming book, Human Extinction, A History of the Science and Ethics of Annihilation. Now, you might

remember Emil from our previous episode back in May, episode 116, called The Dangerous Ideology

of the Tech Elite, where we talked about long-termism. This particularly concerning worldview

held by a lot of people who are quite powerful in the tech industry that we really need

to be focused on the very long-term future of humanity, and that comes often at the expense

of taking actions that would address real material problems in the present.

So instead of really going after climate change or trying to address human poverty and

suffering and hunger, we should be focused on colonizing the cosmos so that we can extend

the light of consciousness for millions and millions of years, for example.

You may have also noticed that these ideas have been getting a lot more attention in the past

few months because William McCaskill published a recent book called What We O O The Future.

And that has been very effectively sold and marketed around the world, or at least in Europe and North America, to the degree

that many major publications have published articles and interviews with McCaskill effectively

endorsing this idea that he is putting forward and that he is presenting in a very approachable

manner in the book, you know, without some of the aspects of this ideology

or of this worldview, that would really quickly turn people off and show people what it is at its

core. And so as a result of that, I wanted to have Emil back on the program so that we could

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