Scott Payne spent nearly two decades working undercover as a biker, a neo-Nazi, a drug dealer, and a killer.

But his last big mission at the FBI was the wildest of all.

I have never had to burn Bibles. I have never had to burn an American flag.

And I damn sure was never with a group of people that stole a goat,

sacrificed it in a pagan ritual, and drank his blood, and I did all that in about three days

with these guys.

Listen to Agent Pale Horse, the second season of White Hot Hate. Available now.

Hey, in the thick listener, Como Tutta, We're coming into your feed to bring you something special.

Here at Futuro, our podcast division has been working on a new series that I love,

and I'm sure in the thick listeners are going to love as well.

It's called Don't Cross Cat, and it's a podcast about a woman named Cat Torres,

or if you're Brazilian,

Kachitojes, who has a seemingly perfect life. She's gorgeous, and I mean, I'm talking about she walks into a room and people can't stop looking at her kind of striking. And she's also

really big online, but she's also a little bit out there.

She posts about rituals that she calls alien bats, and these draw over a million followers

to her.

But as time passes and her following grows, she gets darker and in fact becomes more dangerous. So one woman sets out to bring her best

friend back from Kat's Tangled Web. This is a story about influence, about control, about a false

sense of connection with the people that we just know online. But at its core, it's actually a story about friendship.

It is based on the mega-hit Brazilian podcast

that journalist Chico Felitti brought to life.

Down there, it was called A Coach.

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