Don't Blow Up Your Ministry: The Underlying Issues That Take Pastors Down | Michael MacKenzie)
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ποΈ 14 November 2021
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About Michael MacKenzie:
Michael MacKenzie is a licensed professional counselor, ordained pastor, and hospital chaplain. He has served for ten years as the clinical director of Marble Retreat, a Colorado retreat center that specializes in ministering to pastors and ministry leaders in crisis. He studied marriage and family counseling at Denver Seminary and has a DMin in pastor care from Lincoln Christian University. Michael and his wife, Kari, have two sons and live in Florida.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Trigger warning. This podcast contains descriptions of various abusive situations. Listener discretion is advised. |
| 0:09.1 | How did we end up defining ministry in such a way that you don't have to be like Jesus, and actually being like Jesus would be a handicap? |
| 0:18.1 | It's interesting to me to sit with a successful leader, there's no apparent |
| 0:22.7 | fruit of the spirit because they're about the success. You are listening to the Preacher Boys |
| 0:29.1 | podcast, a podcast shedding light on decades of mental, physical, and sexual abuse within |
| 0:35.2 | the independent fundamental Baptist movement. The testimony |
| 0:39.1 | shared on this podcast are told from the personal experience and perspective of the survivors. |
| 0:44.9 | Not all legal outcomes are known or final. Any suspect is presumed innocent until proven |
| 0:50.5 | guilty in the court of law. Now, here's your host, Eric Skwarzinski. |
| 0:56.5 | Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Preacher Boys podcast. I'm really excited about today's |
| 1:01.2 | episode. And one of the best parts about hosting conversations in the format of a podcast |
| 1:07.2 | is that it gives you the chance to hear perspectives you don't usually get to hear |
| 1:11.4 | and allows you to develop empathy for people that you wouldn't normally think about their |
| 1:16.5 | perspective or their thoughts. And on the Preacher Boys podcast for almost 200 episodes, |
| 1:21.8 | we have talked about ways that churches and pastors can show empathy to those that have been hurt within the church. |
| 1:29.5 | On today's episode, I want to talk a little bit about how pastors can experience hurt within |
| 1:34.7 | the church. And I brought in a guest named Michael McKenzie to talk us through burnout stress. |
| 1:40.4 | What happens when pastors lean into church as if it's a business as opposed to a spiritual |
| 1:46.0 | place of healing and care? I just want to say right off the bat, this episode is not a defense |
| 1:50.8 | of predatory or abusive pastors. That is not the case whatsoever. And I want to make that clear from |
| 1:56.2 | the beginning, the language that we're talking about when we talk about pastors that are making |
| 2:00.0 | poor decisions or they are struggling or they're making bad leadership decisions is not talking about the tier when it comes to predatory abusive situations where pastors are inserting themselves into churches to abuse. |
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