and if you stay lonely and you don't reach out, at least this is the way it is for me.

I become drained. When I bring them in and I spend my time mentoring them, that's how I get my

juice, but that's how I stay connected. But when I'm just grinding every day, I disconnect over time and I tend to move towards the cynicism side of that continuum.

Welcome to the Spartan Deca series on Spartan Up with Jarrett Cogswell, director of sport and

Nancy Cope, director of programming.

Welcome back everyone for part two of our interview with Bruce Babishon.

In this episode we're going to talk about the romantic versus the cynics.

And remember, if you don't love what you do,

if you're not passionate about what you do,

you're never going to win the game.

This episode of Spartan Up is brought to you by Duralain, a single injection that may provide up to six months relief from osteoarthritis knee pain. Risks can include general knee pain and pain at the injection site.

You can see full prescribing information at doorlane.com.

I was doing a little research on you Bruce and you obviously have a lot of

lessons to share but you also had a concept of the you call it the dangerous drift and the dangerous drift it seemed like

it had to do you know you have somebody that's very purposeful they're very passionate about what they're doing, but then they go a little sideways.

Yeah, you know, I, I, uh, I, over the years, one of the things I've been blessed with was that when I was a boy I had great coaches.

I was mentored. I went to a place called the Silver Spring Boys Club and my dad was a coach and so I learned coaching and I was immersed in program building and coaching my entire life.

And fortunately through high school I had a great coach and in college I had a great

coach so I always held that in high esteem and that concept really is applied to leadership and in coaching because my world is coaching but it doesn't matter whether it's a CEO or a coach and I'll give you a perfect example of this but the dangerous drift is there's

there's a continuum and whenever people become leaders of a business or people become

new coaches or they start

some there's a romantic element to them right we romanticize our ideas we

...