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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Don’t Be an Anti-Anti-Nazi | Ruminant

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

News, Politics

4.76.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 January 2026

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Jonah Goldberg starts this Ruminant off with a bang by defending his take on the ICE shooting, then jumping headfirst into his thoughts on Labor Department posts and Woodrow Wilson’s fascistic America. He also muses on his father’s defense of the Shah, takes on right- and left-wing antisemitism, and tries out a new metaphor for Donald Trump.Plus, listeners will be treated to ... a confession. Shownotes:—Jonah’s take on the Minneapolis ICE shooting on The Dispatch Podcast—Advisory Opinions on the ICE shooting—Goldberg slams ‘grotesque and idiotic’ response by some in GOP to deadly ICE shooting—Most recent Dispatch Podcast—Mike Allen at Axios on new White House concern over immigration—“There Will Be More Renee Goods” - Jeremiah Johnson at The Dispatch—Jonah’s G-File on the Department of Labor—Jonah’s book, Liberal Fascism—Three New Deals: Reflections on Roosevelt's America, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany, 1933-1939—The Remnant: John Adams Was Not an Originalist | Interview: Lindsay Chervinsky—The Remnant: Patriots and Loyalists | Interview: Ken Burns—Foer in The Atlantic: ‘MAGA’s Jewish Intellectuals Helped Create Their Own Predicament’—Yoni Appelbaum on The Remnant—Foer: ‘The Golden Age of American Jews Is Ending’—Eli Lake on The Commentary Podcast—Mike Nelson in The Dispatch on America’s red lines The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.

0:18.0

Can you digger?

0:23.5

Greetings to your listeners.

0:28.7

This is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by the dispatch and dispatch

0:33.5

media.

0:34.5

Oh, boy.

0:35.5

There's a very late start for me.

0:36.8

It's nine something. So I'm just going to jump

0:39.1

right into it. Last week, I'm one of the numerous podcasts I do. It might have been the

0:45.8

Captain Geach and the Shrimp Shack Shooters podcast. I don't know, but I've done a lot. I took a

0:52.0

decidedly center of the road view on the Minnesota shooting.

0:57.0

I took a boring, stodgy institutionalist, let's wait for the facts kind of point of view.

1:04.0

Got a lot of angry email from people about it. What was interesting was anger came from both sides.

1:10.0

There were people who were

1:11.7

very cross with me for not saying outright that it was an execution and a murder. There were

1:18.6

people who were very angry with me for criticizing the shooting at all as anything other than utterly justified.

1:29.3

And I just think you're all, it's not so much that you're all necessarily wrong.

1:34.5

It's that you're just wrong to decide right now, at least in my humble opinion.

1:40.2

You know, so I only hear from the people who are pissed off, right?

1:42.5

I explain this all the time, this, this, this, this selection bias problem all the time to people, to guests when I have to embarrass, I have to like ask them to say, no, you won't.

1:55.2

This is a podcast at the end of my podcast.

1:58.4

And it's a almost a perfect illustration of selection bias because I get a lot

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