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Witness History

"Don't ask, don't tell" in the US Armed Forces

Witness History

BBC

History, Personal Journals, Society & Culture

4.41.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2022

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

LGBT servicemen and women in the US armed forces had to keep their sexuality secret until the 'Don't ask, don't tell' policy was repealed in 2011. Lieutenant Colonel Heather Mack served under the policy for most of her military career. She spoke to Rachael Gillman about her experiences. This programme is a rebroadcast.

Photo: Lieutenant Colonel Heather Mack (l) with her wife Ashley (r) and their two children. (Courtesy of Heather Mack)

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0:40.8

As part of our week of LGBT stories, today we're going back to 2011 and the repeal of the

0:47.0

Don't Ask Don't Tell policy, which had banned LGBT people who served in the U.S. military from being open about their sexuality.

0:56.5

As Rachel Gilman now reports, the change in policy was signed into law by President Obama.

1:03.2

Some of you remember I visited Afghanistan just a few weeks ago.

1:06.7

And while I was walking along the rope line,

1:09.7

there was a big crowd about 3,000. A young woman in the uniform was shaking my hand and other people

1:15.8

were grabbing and taking pictures and she pulled me into a hug and she whispered in my ear, get don't ask, don't tell done.

1:25.0

Before President Obama's move,

1:28.0

don't ask, don't tell had meant that any LGBT service people in the US Army, Navy or Air Force had to hide their sexuality from their colleagues.

1:36.6

At times it was difficult and very challenging because when you serve in the military, you're responsible not only for your soldiers but for your soldiers families

1:45.4

Don't Ask Don't Tell was army policy for the greater part of lieutenant Colonel Heather Max army career

1:51.0

As a leader in the military I would always ask about my soldiers and how they were doing

1:55.9

and how their family was doing and I would constantly find myself pausing and not sharing my story with my soldiers.

2:06.0

And what effect do you think that had in regards to your relationship with your soldiers?

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