Welcome to the conversations that matter podcast. I'm your host John Harris to open the program today. We are going to watch a clip from Don Lemon on CNN interacting with Hillary Fordwich.

This is a point that's been made on this program before and I think it was articulated in a way

Don Lemon was not expecting from a guest on his particular show. Check this out.

Well this is coming when you know there's all of this wealth and you hear about it comes as England

it's facing rising costs of living, a living crisis, austerity budget

cuts and so on.

And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism, and they're wondering you know a hundred billion dollars

twenty four billion dollars here and there five hundred million there

some people want to be paid back and and members of the public are wondering why are we

suffering when you are you know you have all of this vast wealth those are legitimate concerns

Well, I think you're right about reparations in terms of if people want it though what they need to do is you always need to go back to the beginning of a supply chain.

Where was the beginning of the supply chain?

That was in Africa and when, across the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world

that abolished slavery the first nation in the world to abolish it it was started by

William Wilberforce was the British in in Great Britain they abolished slavery.

2,000 naval men died on the high seas trying to stop slavery.

Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people they had them on

cages waiting in the beaches no one was running into Africa to get them and I think

you're totally right if reparations need to be paid we need to go right

back to the beginning of that supply chain and say who was

rounding up their own people and having them hand-cocking pages absolutely that's

where they should start and maybe I don't know the descendants of those families

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