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I acquired X in order to preserve freedom of speech in America, the First Amendment.

And I'm going to stick to that. And if that means making this money, so be it.

Why would that question have said, you seem upset by it, are you? I think you... I'm not trying

to upset you. Well, you are upsetting because the way your phrase of questions I think you're not trying to have said the way you are of saying it because the way your

phrase of questions I think is is not cogent. Oh my goodness that was a kind of

interview that feels like it's going wrong and then towards the end of it you think

oh actually this is gold dust I have towards the end of it you think oh actually this is

gold dust I've done a few of those and Mariana explain why that interview

matters and then we'll talk a bit about why we're going to talk to one of the two people in it.

So that was journalist Don Lemon, who was speaking to Elon Musk as part of the Don Lemon show.

And Elon Musk as long as we've chatted about lots on this podcast made various commitments to freedom of expression since he bought Twitter which is now called X and there's been quite a lot of scrutiny about whether that freedom of expression applies to all sides, people on the right, people

left, people with all kinds of alternative views.

And this interview for me, I think, particularly as someone who has tried on many times to

interview him on Muscat he won't speak to me was very revealing about not just in terms of

what musk said in the way he reacted to the interview but also about that whole

relationship between the way the media works and the way social media works.

Elon Musk is attempting to change that in lots of ways and he will say, you know, the media are just

mouthpieces for governments and the powerful, but there's also something important here which is he is a very powerful person in fact a very rich man who is in charge of

Influential company a social media platform and it doesn't feel very easy to hold him to account

Yeah, and the reason it this all matters so much is that in the

American context in the election campaign that is already started this stuff

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