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Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Don Lemon Arrested: Trump, ICE & the Prosecution of the Press

Uncomfortable Conversations with Josh Szeps

Josh Szeps

Education, Comedy, Comedy Interviews, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.5905 Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2026

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

With the arrest of the high-profile journalist Don Lemon, the protests in Minnesota have become the new frontline of press freedom. Is the Trump Administration openly hunting down journalists now? Or, in the aftermath of Snowden, Manning & Assange, is Trump just more shameless in cracking down on voices he disapproves of? What happens to a democracy when reporters and commentators are targeted in politically-motivated, trumped-up prosecutions? Seth Stern is a civil liberties lawyer and the chief of advocacy at Freedom of the Press Foundation. He joins Josh to discuss the case against Don Lemon, the weaponisation of espionage laws, the difference between ethical journalism and genuine national-security threats, how the Trump Administration - using Minneapolis as a pretext - is criminalising the freedom of the press, and how we might fix it.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Good-day, humans.

0:05.0

Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas.

0:08.0

You may not be aware, but I've been on holidays.

0:11.0

We banged a bunch of episodes and through the miracle of posting things in advance,

0:15.0

you've been receiving your constant stream of fabulous, uncomfortable conversations, even while I was lasin around on my big

0:22.9

fat dairy air in Bali and Singapore, it was delightful. For those of you in the Northern

0:28.8

Hemisphere, I sympathize with the Arctic blizzards you've been enduring. I don't mean to rub it in,

0:34.8

but I do have a gorgeous tan if you're not watching this, if you're listening to it instead.

0:39.3

So I hit the ground running today and Honelli is there a lot of news.

0:44.3

There's a lot going on. It's hard to know exactly where to start with the news out of the United States,

0:49.3

with the shootings by ICE officers of protesters in Minneapolis, the Epstein files,

0:57.2

growing authoritarianism in the United States.

0:59.6

But I felt that today, when I'm back in the saddle, so to speak,

1:04.6

I should focus on something where maybe the rest of the media isn't covering it quite as much

1:08.9

or quite as thoughtfully.

1:10.1

And it's something in which I have an interest. And if you listen to this show, you too have an interest, which is

1:14.8

the freedom of the press and having a media that is courageous enough to have rambunctious

1:21.0

and playful and bullshit-free conversations. And so what sort of piqued my interest in recent days

1:27.4

out of Minneapolis was specifically

1:29.4

the arrest of Don Lemon. Don Lemon worked as a CNN anchor for almost a decade. He was a correspondent

1:37.3

for NBC. He was a regular on the Today Show, regular on NBC Nightly News. He was fired from CNN and went on to independent media now

1:46.8

has a big show on YouTube and does that usual trajectory that we know so well, not naming any names.

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