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Hello, good morning. Thank you for having me.

So, Alex, I'm really sorry that the first thing I'm going to have to ask you about is Donald Trump, but I think that's going to be the case for quite some time to come across the world

of podcasting, to be honest. So Trump and Stama spoke on the phone over the weekend.

What do we know about what was said?

Was there anything particularly groundbreaking that has emerged from that call?

Probably nothing particularly groundbreaking, but we do have some info on what it was.

They agreed to meet. There's some suggestion it could be his first foreign visit.

He said that would be traditional,

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