I realize you know this is this is so funny because it's so true it's so real the way that people take advantage of you when you're responsible

and you have high expectations for yourself and you're respectful. But at the same time, like we've come to a point now in our lives where

we're really confident about what we want and still

being respectful and not being jerks but like going after what we want and being

decisive about this is the way we're going to live because we're going to be

happiest this way we're not going to sacrifice needlessly anymore.

Yeah you know what is up everyone? Thank you for tuning in to the Billy

Yang podcast. My name is Billy Yang, the host of Set program. I am a filmmaker

and a sometime ultra-runner as well as a sometime

podcaster. To all of you, welcome or welcome back to the show. Here the goal is to chat with a broad spectrum of people ranging from athletes,

which, let's face it, have been the majority of my guests today,

but also the occasional entrepreneurs, creatives, filmmakers, definitely

more of that to come down the line.

Before I introduce today's guests, that's right, a twofer for the first time in the show's

relatively short history. I want to read the following from a blog post to set them up.

And it goes. Katie and I were textbook working professionals and

ultra-runners. We trained hard early in the mornings, went to work at high stress

jobs in advertising and engineering. check the high country webcams at lunch,

came home exhausted and famished to feast on frozen pizza,

planned out road trips for the weekend, and rushed out of the office every Friday afternoon into a wagon packed with food, sleeping bags, and running gear.

We didn't get on the 405 before 4 p.m. on a Friday, there was rarely a kind word

said until we escape the clutches of LA traffic and were streaking across the

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