Hey, pull up a chair.

It's Hacks on Tap with David Axelrod and Mike Murphy.

When does it become the Trump economy?

It partially is right now, and I really mean this, I think the good parts of the Trump economy

and the bad parts of the Biden economy, because he's done a terrible job. He did a terrible job

on everything. So there you have it, John Heilman. The good parts,

everything that's good in the world flows from Trump. Everything that's bad flows from Biden.

It's easy. Just follow along, brother. It's easy. It provides a very easy way of understanding everything in the universe, although I will say two things about that. One, he clearly is telling the truth. He really does mean that. And number two, which is a rarity for Trump telling the truth that straightforwardly. And number two, kind of every president in the early part of their tenure kind of feels that way. They want to like, they always want to blame the previous, the predecessor for the bad stuff and take credit for the good stuff. So it's like,

but not every president unleashes calamity in the first hundred days.

Yes, I'm, but I'm fully aware he's not like other presidents in most respects.

So that voice you heard all the way from Bismarck, North Dakota.

The cackle.

Do you really say that?

Did you really say the cackle, John?

Well, it was a guffaw.

Wait, let me say her name.

Heidi Heidkamp, former Senator Heidi Heidkamp, my pal, the director of the Institute of Politics at the University of Chicago, has joined us.

Heidi, if you had learned that kind of agile footwork, you'd probably still be in the Senate.

If you just learned how to blame your opponents for everything bad and take credit for everything good.

I don't think it's saying it nearly as much as having a group of people who will believe it.

So if I said it, people would not have believed it.

But if he says it, it's like, oh, yeah, that must be true.

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