DOJ Spy Games, the Indomitable Epstein Files & Congress’s NPC Energy: Rep. Becca Balint Roasts Bondi
The Lincoln Project
The Lincoln Project
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🗓️ 14 April 2026
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
Bondi. Epstein. DOJ surveillance. Congress folding. This episode is a front-row seat to a system cracking in real time. Rick Wilson is joined by Vermont Congresswoman Becca Balint to unpack the collapse of Pam Bondi — from her questionable moves inside the U.S. Department of Justice to her firing tied to the still-explosive Epstein files that just won’t disappear. They break down reports of DOJ surveillance on members of Congress inside a makeshift SCIF, why Bondi’s “burn book” flopped, and how fear, loyalty tests, and political pressure have turned Congress into a rubber stamp instead of a check on power. This is what it looks like when institutions bend—and who pays the price when they do.
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| 0:00.0 | Call my wife. |
| 0:01.5 | Calling UK Wildlife. |
| 0:03.6 | Voice assistance not working for you. |
| 0:05.7 | BlackRock Investment Trust has a lot working for you. |
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| 0:10.0 | Capital at risk. |
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| 0:11.4 | BlackRock Investment Management UK Limited. |
| 0:13.0 | Authorized and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. |
| 0:15.3 | As I was heading out the door the first time to look at the files, my, uh, my legislative director said to me, |
| 0:22.9 | I can't believe I'm going to say this to you, but I just need to say, assume you're being watched. |
| 0:29.5 | And I was like, are we, are we, is this the Stasi? Like, what, what are we talking about? |
| 0:34.5 | Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, |
| 0:38.8 | well equipped, and battle hard. There is not a liberal America and a conservative America. |
| 0:44.3 | There is the United States of America. Good night and good luck. |
| 0:51.3 | Hey, everybody. Welcome back. I'm Rick Wilson, your host here on the Lincoln Project podcast. |
| 0:56.3 | I'm delighted to be joined today by the kind of Democratic member of Congress I like a scrapper, somebody who's got some fight. |
| 1:03.6 | It's Becca Bailant, great state of Vermont. |
| 1:05.9 | Thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. |
| 1:08.2 | And I want to jump right in on this because we've got |
| 1:11.0 | some breaking news as we're recording this podcast that suddenly a member of the Trump family is |
| 1:15.6 | actually coming a little bit clean about Jeffrey Epstein, but it's Melania Trump. |
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