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Young Heretics

Doin' It Live

Young Heretics

Spencer Klavan

Society & Culture, Education

4.94.5K Ratings

🗓️ 17 October 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

The planets are aligning, the moment is almost here, the fates are sealed...or are they?? Today, in our penultimate episode, right as Aeneas looks poised to take up the mantle of his destiny and live out the greatness that Augustus will one day inherit, everything seems to fall apart. The Gods throw up their hands, and the Rutulians go ferociously to war against the Trojans. Can it be that Virgil actually doesn't want us to know what happens next? Can it be the future of Rome is not as guaranteed as it seemed to be? Find out on this episode--plus, advice for writers to hone their skills.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Well, war has come at last to Lachium.

0:04.0

And guess what?

0:05.4

We're doing it live.

0:13.5

Okay, this is a meme that I actually do know the origin of, unlike the prophecy has been fulfilled meme, the we're doing it live meme comes

0:22.9

if you've ever seen Bill O'Reilly this clip of him on, I think it was called Inside Edition. And it's

0:30.2

like his teleprompter breaks down or something and he's extremely frustrated and in a hilarious

0:37.1

profanity-laced rant, he says, just ditch the, ditch the

0:41.3

teleprompter. We're doing it live. And that's what's happening today on this penultimate second to

0:47.8

last episode of our series on the Aeneid. This whole poem, this whole time, has been the poem of fate. If there's one theme that hangs

0:58.8

over the entire thing, it's the destiny of Aeneas and how his individuality is going to relate

1:04.8

to this grand thing that he has to do that's written in the stars. And now that war has finally broken out,

1:13.7

remember it's been brewing and we've been talking about the tension over the locals,

1:18.6

between the locals and the new arrivals from Troy. And finally, the Ritulians are going to

1:23.9

lead the Latins to war against the Trojans.

1:28.3

That's what's happening now.

1:30.1

And something very fascinating happens.

1:33.6

Something I had almost forgotten until I reviewed this part of the poem to talk about it

1:38.2

with you guys on the show.

1:40.1

Something kind of amazing, which is that the script, the part of the story that is scripted by fate,

1:49.2

gets thrown aside or we enter into this weird world where we're not totally sure whether

1:55.7

the faded thing is actually going to happen. There are precedents for this in Homeric literature, in the

2:02.8

Iliad especially. There are these moments when you think, well, we know what's going to happen

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