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We are the very model of a modern news statistics show.

Expect economics, fact checks and many cheerful facts about the square of the hypotenuse.

And in particular, expect us to

investigate the claim that one in 12 Londoners is an illegal immigrant, which comes from, well,

not the source you might expect. And the claim that New Zealand apples are particularly

environmentally friendly, which comes from exactly the source you might expect, namely New Zealand.

Our loyal listeners are wondering whether VAT on private schools really has boosted the rate of inflation, or if that's just a media concoction.

But first, it's been 12 weeks since President Trump announced the formation of Doge, the so-called

Department of Government Efficiency, led, or not led, but definitely quite led, by his special

advisor, Elon Musk. Musk claimed that he could save the US government $2 trillion a year.

We asked Linda Bilmes, someone who was part of the team who actually balanced the US budget

under President Clinton, whether this was plausible.

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