Does true freedom exist? Max Jeganathan vs Andrew Copson hosted by Andy Kind

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Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 9 May 2025

⏱️ 80 minutes

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Is our obsession with personal autonomy leading to fulfilment—or fracture? Max Jeganathan (author of The Freedom Trap) and Andrew Copson (CEO of Humanists UK) explore the purpose, power, and pitfalls of freedom. While Max argues that unexamined individualism breeds anxiety, disconnection, and moral confusion, Andrew defends freedom as a means to happiness, but warns against excessive egoism. The discussion spans everything from Nazi resistance and speeding laws to Taylor Swift and tech billionaires, with surprising agreements and sharp disagreements - particularly over the value of self-sacrifice and whether belief in God really matters. A nuanced, often humourous journey through politics, ethics and belief hosted by comedian and writer Andy Kind, this episode asks: is true freedom found in autonomy, or in responsibility, community and even love? SOCIAL LINKS Twitter: https://twitter.com/unbelievablefe Facebook: / https://facebook.com/premierunbelievable Instagram: / https://instagram.com/premierunbelievable Tik Tok: / https://tiktok.com/@premier.unbelievable 👉 Get bonus content, updates, fascinating articles, and early access to new episodes—absolutely free! Join now at www.premierunbelievable.com 🎉📢 • Subscribe to the Unbelievable? podcast: https://pod.link/267142101 • More shows, free eBook & newsletter: https://premierunbelievable.com • For live events: http://www.unbelievable.live • For online learning: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/courses • Support us in the USA: http://www.premierinsight.org/unbelievableshow • Support us in the rest of the world: https://www.premierunbelievable.com/donate

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1:04.9	amazing podcasts just as much as I'm sure you do. I also love hearing about the people who are impacted by these
1:12.1	resources, like Sheila from Cheshire. Sheila's parents were both sick and she was going through
1:17.8	a difficult time taking care of them. But she started listening to Premier's podcasts and
1:23.1	God spoke to her through the teaching and with just the right things she needed to hear at just the
1:28.6	right moment. She felt reassured that God had it all in hand and that her parents would be safe.
1:35.3	It's incredible to know how important these podcasts are to many. But they are listener funded,
1:41.4	which means we need your support to keep them going for people like Sheila.
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1:50.4	premier.org.org.uk slash podcast. That's premier.org.com.uk slash podcast. Thank you.
1:58.7	What is true freedom? Freedom has become very personal, privatised in a way,
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