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Good afternoon and welcome along to Unbelievable. I'm Justin Briley and I have another fascinating

interaction for you today. Larry Hurtado and Tom Holland are my guests on the show today. I'll be

introducing them and what they're talking about in a moment's time. But it's always great to feature

interesting conversations on the show. If you want to go back and look through the vast back catalogue of programs that you can listen to, then go to our website.

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friend, that kind of thing. Well, today on the show, why I changed my mind about Christian history.

Tom Holland is a historian whose books on ancient empires such as Rubicon, the triumph and tragedy

of the Roman Republic and in the shadow of the

sword on the rise of Islam have been bestsellers. Most recently, he published dynasty, the story

of the rise and fall of the House of Caesar. And he's working on a new book, which I'm looking

forward to him telling us about. In a recent article for the new statesman, Tom explained why he

has changed his mind on Christianity,

how he came to regard it as unique in its time and central in many ways to the development

of modern Western values and morality. Well, in today's show, he's interacting with Larry Hattardo,

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