Does the U.S. Need an Independent Cyber Force?
Angry Planet
Matthew Gault
4.3 • 882 Ratings
🗓️ 29 August 2025
⏱️ 65 minutes
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Summary
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If the internet is a battlefield, does that mean the United States needs a new military force to dominate it?
On this episode of Angry Planet, retired U.S. Army Lieutenant General Edward Charles Cardon and former House Armed Services Committee Democratic staffer Joshua Stiefel make the case for spinning off the Cyber Force into an independent branch. Both are part of a new commission at the Center for Strategic and International Studies — partnered with Jason’s new bosses at Foundation for Defense of Democracies — with the goal of preparing for a new branch that both feel is inevitable.
It’s a wild and wandering conversation that touches on Neuromancer, AI, and fighting a cyber war against the Islamic State.
- “A Cyber Force is inevitable”
- How cyber works now
- From Army Air Service to Air Force to Space Force
- Volt Typhoon as warning
- It’s hard to recruit hackers
- The Goldwater-Nichols Act mentioned, drink
- Basic training for hackers?
- A retired Lt. General at Defcon
- The weird nebulous thinking of AI and cyber
- The Army has soldiers, the Space Force has Guardians, what about Cyber Force?
- Neuromancers? Hackers?
- “The leaders of this domain have to understand the people they’re talking to.”
- Change is only possible in the aftermath of something cataclysmic
- “AI is gonna put the offense on steroids”
- Glowing Symphony
- Islamic State as the model conflict
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| 0:40.1 | And in a surprise guest appearance, it's Jason Fields. |
| 0:43.8 | You've been kicking around. |
| 0:45.6 | We've been talking. |
| 0:46.5 | You've been here, present, accounted for, editing everything. |
| 0:50.2 | Yeah, well, it's sad to actually be full-time employed in a place where I have to go into an office. |
| 0:56.0 | It's just changed my life in all sorts of negative ways. |
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| 1:04.9 | So you want to talk about cyber? |
| 1:07.5 | This is something that you're actually pretty up on, right? |
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