Hello and welcome to not another one, the podcast with me, Steve Richards, Miranda Green,

Ian Martin and Tim Montgomery. This is part two. You're getting two podcasts from us this week.

If you've just joined us, the first part was trying to make sense of the Tory leadership contest.

It's quite a challenge. Went on for about eight hours. No, it didn't. It didn't. But of course,

we are more than aware that the Labour government is touching our lives in a much more significant way for four years at least.

And so we need to explore what's been happening on that front as well.

And then we're going to do something else.

But let's explore, first of all, just a neat segue from part one,

which was on the Tory leadership contest. The advantage for Kirstama is obvious. And I'll just reflect on

that for five seconds because it's so obvious that they could elect someone who appears a bit weird

and is unconvincing,

makes some in their party on the so-called left uneasy,

and gives this Labour government which has had a wobbly start space.

That's the obvious advantage.

The risk is this, that Stama is quite a cautious figure, as we know,

and if the Tories take a tough stance on spending Europe, which they will inevitably tax,

he might decide, well, if I just do a tidily little bit

on each one, I'm not going to lose any support because they are way to the right of me,

and doesn't do enough. It's just not bold enough because he thinks just small incremental changes

will be enough. So that's what I think is the risk in having

someone from the right leading the Tory party with a relatively cautious Prime Minister. If he is

cautious, we could explore that separately. But let's explore the other things which have been

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