We finished a whole series on the theme family of God and we get to do an interview with

someone that you got to know recently.

Tell us about that.

Yeah, so we've had this long series tracing the theme of the multi-ethnic international

family of Abraham and the Messiah in the storyline of the Bible.

And as I was reading and actually through a friend of a friend, I came across work of

a New Testament scholar, Andrew Rillera, who has been pursuing these very questions, especially

in Paul's letters, which is where we ended our conversations for the podcast.

And so it just felt like a perfect fit to include an interview with Andrew about this.

So Andrew Rillera, he's a New Testament scholar who's finishing his PhD at Duke Divinity

School.

He's been an adjunct professor of biblical studies at Eternity Bible College.

Some time ago he co-authored a book with another New Testament scholar, Preston Sprinkle, called

Fight, a Christian case for nonviolence.

Though I just learned it's going to be retitled and re-released again under the title Nonviolence,

the Revolutionary Way of Jesus, which by the way, when I was a pastor I took multiple book

clubs through that book.

Or did you?

It was awesome.

Yeah, I've never read it.

It's a biblical theology of nonviolence.

And a good chunk of it is from the Old Testament, which might surprise some people.

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