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Coffee House Shots

Does Sunak see China as a threat?

Coffee House Shots

The Spectator

News, Daily News, Politics

4.42.2K Ratings

🗓️ 29 November 2022

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Rishi Sunak has signalled the end of the 'golden era' of relations between Britain and China, warning of Xi Jinping's creeping authoritarianism. In his first foreign policy set piece, was it enough to get the China hawks onside? Also on the podcast, James Forsyth and Katy Balls look at the latest amendments to the Online Harms Bill. 

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0:00.0

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0:10.0

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0:16.0

Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectators' Daily Politics Podcast.

0:21.0

I'm Isabel Harbman and I'm joined by Katie Bulls and James Versaith.

0:26.0

Well, the online harms bill, which the Spectator has been campaigning on through its long and painful journey as a piece of draft legislation, has been amended again by ministers.

0:39.0

James, just bring us up to speed with what Michelle Donnellan is doing with it and whether it satisfies our concerns about the legal but harmful issue.

0:51.0

So what Michelle Donnellan has done is to essentially remove the concept of legal but harmful for adults.

0:57.0

She is making some more content like suicide, self-harm, encouragement for people to self-harm, actually illegal, but she is keeping the concept of legal but harmful for children.

1:10.0

Now, I think phrase has written a blog setting out, you know, the questions that he thinks still needs to be asked.

1:16.0

I personally think that the biggest question is, can you ensure that the tech companies don't just serve up a kind of children's menu to everybody?

1:23.0

That you don't end up with everyone getting the kids menu.

1:25.0

When you talk to ministers about this, they say that because the networks want these social networks wanting to make much more an effort to know, to enforce age verification and to know how all their users are,

1:38.0

that will prevent them from just kind of serving up everyone kind of chicken gouging on on fish fingers.

1:43.0

I think the bill is definitely an improvement on what went before.

1:46.0

I think phrase is blog as it is a series of interesting questions about how it will work in practice.

1:53.0

But I think the kind of the worst bits of legal at home for and what it threatened to do, how have I think gone?

2:02.0

Casey, there is going to be still a political fight over this, isn't there?

2:07.0

There's Nadine Dorees, the former culture secretary who was very keen on this legal but harmful definition who warned I think a few weeks ago that if Michelle Donnellan made inexperienced mistakes with it,

2:20.0

then there'd be the mother of all fights, particularly with female MPs.

2:23.0

This legislation polls extremely well because parents are really worried about a sort of world west on the internet that they don't understand for their children.

2:34.0

So this legislation is still going to have a pretty rough landing in the comments.

2:39.0

Completely, it's a really complex piece of legislation.

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