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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the spectators' daily politics podcast.

I'm Natasha Froze and I'm joined by Katie Bulls and James Forsyth.

Now, Nicholas Surgeon has been doing the rounds today since announcing her plans for

the Scottish Independence Referendum. James, how's that been going for her?

So, everyone knows that Boris Johnson is not going to grant this section 30 order to

Nicholas Surgeon. The general expectation is that the UK Supreme Court will say,

no, you can't have a consulted referendum because the constitution is a reserved matter and so

not within the competence of the Scottish Parliament. And that means that Nicholas Surgeon

falls back on her plan to try and turn the next UK general election into what she is calling

a de facto referendum on independence. Now, there was some confusion this morning because John

Swinney at one point implied that if he SMP won a majority of seats in Scotland in those elections

that they would consider that a mandate for independence. It's now being clarified that

he didn't hear the question properly and that it would be a majority of votes.

Now, it's by no means certain that the SMP will get a majority vote. So, this is the risk

that Nicholas Surgeon is taking, which is if you say this is a de facto referendum on independence

and the SMP don't get over 50% of the vote, then well, have you had your referendum and not

won it, which is the problem. I also think it is all quite dangerous for a politician, as Ted

Heath will tell you, to try and tell the electorate what the election is about. The electorate

sometimes don't agree. I think though, this is going to have a big impact on the way the election

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