Does LOVE Make a Family? Dismantling the #1 Lie of Modern Parenting with Katy Faust
I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST
Dr. Frank Turek
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🗓️ 10 February 2026
⏱️ 53 minutes
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Summary
It's been over a decade since the 2015 Obergefell ruling that mandated same-sex marriage on every state and the stats are in. Has redefining marriage strengthened families, or has it quietly harmed the most vulnerable among us?Â
Frank sits down with Katy Faust, founder and president of Them Before Us, to confront the real-world consequences of so-called “gay marriage,” and introduce the brand-new 'Greater Than' movement—a bold effort to return to the natural law and biblical definition of marriage on behalf of children. During their conversation, Frank and Katy answer questions like:
- What personal experiences growing up make Katy uniquely qualified to talk about this topic?
- Why was marriage and family such an important issue to Charlie Kirk?
- What are the 3 institutions that God created and how are they related?
- Why does the government care about marriage?
- Who is statistically the most dangerous person in a child’s life?
- What is the “Cinderella Effect”?
- Why does Frank believe the term “gay marriage” doesn’t address the real issue?
- Are all family structures equally beneficial for children?
- Why are the biological distinctions between mothers and fathers so important to children?
- What does the data show about biological parents vs. non-biological caregivers?
- What are the 3 main goals of the 'Greater Than' movement and how can you help?
In today’s society, children are often treated like trophies—spoken for, negotiated over, or reshaped to serve adult priorities. 'Greater Than' works from a different premise: children’s rights should not be overridden by adult feelings or desires. To learn more and get involved, be sure to visit GreaterThanCampaign.com!
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| 0:00.0 | Ladies and gentlemen, on September 8th, 2025, the final walk I had with Charlie Kirk |
| 0:10.0 | that night, we used to go on walks at night when I was in Phoenix and talk about any issue that was on his heart. |
| 0:18.0 | How can we better articulate it? How can we move the culture in the right |
| 0:22.3 | direction? How can I move the church in the right direction? And I said, Charlie, let's talk about |
| 0:27.1 | what's on your heart. You know, what are the issues that are really concerning you right now? And the |
| 0:31.2 | three issues he mentioned that we talked a lot about. One was the government, particularly with regard to Islam. He was worried that if Islam |
| 0:43.2 | takes over in the United States, we'll lose our religious freedoms. And that's what history shows us. |
| 0:48.5 | Also, our freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of the press, all our First Amendment |
| 0:51.7 | rights go away. We talked a lot about that. |
| 0:55.0 | Then we talked a lot about the resurrection, because if God exists and Jesus rose from the dead, |
| 1:01.4 | game over Christianity is true. And so how can we best articulate the resurrection to college audiences |
| 1:08.4 | in particular, especially in a Q&A environment where you don't have a lot of time. |
| 1:13.1 | And then the third major issue, which we spent the most time on that night, was marriage and the family. |
| 1:21.2 | Because Charlie was lamenting the fact that although men appeared, young men in his generation appeared to be |
| 1:29.6 | wanting to get married and have kids. In fact, according to the survey after the last election, |
| 1:35.3 | Trump voters were Trump voting men, number one priority. Get married, have kids. Trump voting women? |
| 1:42.4 | About number five. Harris voting women. |
| 1:45.2 | Twelve out of 13 marriage and children. |
| 1:49.2 | So Charlie was lamenting that stat and trying to figure out how could we get young people to want to embrace marriage and children. |
| 2:00.1 | And in reflection, as I thought about that night, |
| 2:05.0 | Charlie was concerned about the three institutions that God had created, the government, the church, |
| 2:13.0 | and the family. Those three institutions God created for different functions, different reasons, |
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