Hi, I'm Stephen and welcome to the new station's first V-Volution special podcast, in which

I'm joined by our Scotland editor, Chris Deering, to talk about events in Holyrood, and

then you ask us why ply Pymry can't make the same breakthrough as the SMP in Wales.

So, I'm joined by our Scotland editor, Chris Deering, and eagle-eyed, eagle-eared listeners

of the new states and podcasts will immediately notice, as we get talking, and we are only

talking about two of the three devolved parliaments. That is because my colleague, Alure, is

working on a brilliant, or at least it was brilliant in the draft, I read. A brilliant

piece about Northern Ireland, legacy prosecutions, the government's proposals on which will

be in a full-coming issue of the new states magazine, and a forthcoming episode of the

new statesman's podcast, the new IOND Volution slot. So, this week, it is just Scotland

and Wales, but we will aim most weeks to do all three devolved parliaments in one, unless

we're doing some kind of big special. But thank you very much, Chris, for joining to

break the champagne. Is that a thing they do with boats or is that a miss? But thank you,

either way, for being with us for the first one of these. Thank you for that very strange

welcome, Stephen. So, you've written a piece about a very powerful

interfered in Jack Connell Labour's last, and I'm not quite sure if that means most recent

or final, First Minister of Scotland has given in Hollywood magazine about the absence of

the devolution dividend, the state of the debate in Scottish politics, and you've written

some reflections on it. What did he say and where is, in his view, in your view, the state

of the policy debate in Scotland right now? Yeah, so, as you say, Stephen Jack Connell

was Labour's last or most recent First Minister, depending on how you want to look at it,

and he lost power to the SNP in the 2007 election, and as we know, the SNP have been in power

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