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Does John 15 Defy Calvinism?

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Desiring God

John Piper, Unknown, 163859, Pastor, Ask, Theology, Desiring God, Religion & Spirituality/christianity, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Questions

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 25 November 2013

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

In John 15, Jesus cuts off branches that bear no fruit. Does that mean that Christians can lose their salvation?

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0:00.0

A frequent listener of the podcast emails in this question,

0:08.0

Pastor John, my name is Soren. I am from Romania, but living right now in Germany,

0:12.7

my question is this, how do you understand John 151-10 in a Calvinistic way,

0:17.7

because the text tells us things like this. He cuts off every branch that bears no fruit,

0:22.5

or if you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away in withers.

0:26.7

Such branches are picked up thrown into the fire in burns. What do you say, Pastor John?

0:32.1

That's a really crucial question, because the biblical, reformed Calvinistic view of union

0:38.0

with Christ, ofine in a branch, is that if we have been united to Christ in a new birth

0:45.2

and in an effectual calling, we will never be cut off from Christ. We will be eternally

0:52.1

secure, and we base that on lots of texts. For example, John 1027, my sheep hear my voice,

1:00.0

and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life. They will never perish.

1:04.9

No one will snatch them out of my hand. My father, who's given them to me, is greater than all.

1:10.5

No one will be able to snatch them out of my father's hand. The point there is, if you're my sheep,

1:15.3

you're secure, or Romans 830. This is for me the most compelling. Those whom he predestined,

1:21.3

he called, and those whom he called, he justified, and those whom he justified, he glorified.

1:26.3

Nobody falls out of that chain. If you're justified, he says, you will be glorified.

1:33.8

There are no justified people who get lost between justification and glorification,

1:40.8

or Philippians 1-6. I am sure that he will begin a good work and you will bring it to completion

1:46.7

in the last day, or 1 Corinthians 1-8. He will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of

1:53.3

Christ. God is faithful by whom you were called into the fellowship of his son, or John 1st

1:59.1

on 2-19. They went out from us because they were not of us. For if they had been of us,

2:04.0

they would not have gone out, but they went out that it might be plain that they were not of us.

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