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The Briefing Room

Does IS Need a State?

The Briefing Room

BBC

News, News Commentary

4.8731 Ratings

🗓️ 23 February 2017

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

What will happen if the Islamic State loses its state?

The so-called Islamic State is rapidly losing territory, money and fighters in both Iraq and Syria. Iraqi government troops, supported by US and British special forces, have launched an offensive to take back the city of Mosul and an assault on the group's de facto capital city - Raqqa in Syria - is expected by the end of the year.

Can the group continue to attract jihadi fighters from around the world and inspire attacks in its name, or will it be permanently weakened by the loss of its 'caliphate'?

If so, could other terrorist organisations benefit from the vacuum it leaves behind?

David Aaronovitch speaks to a range of experts and asks - can Islamic State be defeated and if so, what happens next?

Guests include:

Columb Strack, Senior Analyst, Middle East & North Africa at IHS Consulting

Charlie Winter, Senior Research Fellow at the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation and Political Violence (ICSR)

Hassan Hassan, Senior Fellow at the Tahrir Institute for Middle East Policy and co-author of ISIS: Inside the Army of Terror

Dr Elisabeth Kendall, Senior Research Fellow in Arabic at the University of Oxford

Clint Watts, Robert A. Fox Fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute's Program on the Middle East and former FBI Special Agent

Producer: China Collins Research: Serena Tarling.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Welcome to the briefing room with me, David Aronovich.

0:03.2

This week, I'm looking at the so-called Islamic State

0:06.2

and asking if they're close to defeat and if they are, what happens next?

0:28.8

In the summer of 2014, the group known as the Islamic State made an announcement.

0:35.3

It declared the establishment of the caliphate, the ideal state operating under strict Sharia law, straddling large areas of land on both sides of the Iraq-Syria border.

0:41.1

The caliphate is absolutely central to Islamic states' propaganda and to its appeal.

0:47.3

It was its unique selling point.

0:49.5

All militant jihad groups, including al-Qaeda, ultimately aspire to a caliphate,

0:53.8

which means a single domain

0:56.1

for the global Islamic community in which Islam, or their version of it, is the whole way of life

1:02.4

and not just the religion. Losing the caliphate will be a huge blow.

1:10.9

IS has lost significant ground. most recently the eastern part of Iraq's second city of

1:16.8

Mosul.

1:18.2

Iraqi government troops, aided by British and American special forces, this week,

1:23.2

launched an offensive on the western part of the city.

1:26.2

But can the group be totally defeated in both Iraq and Syria?

1:31.1

And if they are, what happens next?

1:38.0

First, let's look at how much territory IS currently controls

1:42.0

and how that compares to what they had in 2014.

1:46.1

Hi, my name's Column Strach. I work as a senior analyst and head of the IHS conflict

1:50.7

monitor. We do quite in-depth analysis of the Islamic States' performance in terms of

1:55.9

mapping their territorial gains and losses and looking at their finances. Over the last year or so, we've seen a fragmentation of the Islamic States Caliphate.

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