Does intent matter?
Moral Maze
BBC
4.5 • 609 Ratings
🗓️ 14 November 2024
⏱️ 57 minutes
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Summary
Celebrity chef Jamie Oliver has pulled his new children's book from the shelves after complaints that it stereotyped Indigenous Australians. Some First Nations leaders have called the book "offensive". Oliver says it was not his “intention".
This case raises philosophical questions about the role of intent in the way we act and in the way we judge the actions of others. If harm is measured by the impact of an action rather than the intention behind it, how much does the intention matter at all? The fact that the law distinguishes between murder and manslaughter suggests that intent is indispensable in assessing moral culpability. On the other hand, being tired or incompetent at the wheel of a car may result in a more deadly outcome than knowingly driving recklessly. In our everyday relationships, we all make excuses for our behaviour when we mess up, but what makes a good excuse – a work-deadline, a wailing infant, ignorance? More complicated still, how can we discern someone’s intent not to cause harm or offense, particularly if we don’t inhabit the same social or cultural reality?
Does intent matter? After all, you know what they say about the road to hell…
Chair: Michael Buerk
Panellists: Ash Sarkar, James Orr, Mona Siddiqui and Giles Fraser
Witnesses: Daniel Browning, Brendan O'Neill, Dr Paul Youngbin Kim, Professor Paulina Sliwa.
Producer: Dan Tierney Assistant producer: Ruth Purser
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:05.4 | Good evening. Perhaps he should have stuck to cookbooks, though he isn't safe there. |
| 0:09.8 | Jamie Oliver is in water hotter than his pasta pan for his latest book, |
| 0:14.3 | a children's novel with the subplot that features an Indigenous Australian girl with mystical powers. |
| 0:20.3 | She's a sympathetic character, |
| 0:22.0 | but the activist National Aboriginal Educational Corporation |
| 0:25.5 | has accused the celebrity chef of the erasure, |
| 0:29.2 | trivialisation and stereotyping of First Nation people. |
| 0:33.3 | Jamie has fallen on his kitchen knife |
| 0:35.1 | saying that he's devastated and wholly apologises. |
| 0:38.4 | His publisher likewise, the book's been withdrawn. |
| 0:42.3 | Now, nobody thinks he intended to offend. |
| 0:45.5 | Indeed, after being basted for calling one of his recipes an empire dish, |
| 0:50.2 | he generally goes to what some would see as extravagant lengths to avoid fashionable grievances. |
| 0:55.8 | But like many other instances of those deemed privileged who transgress current sensitivities, |
| 1:01.8 | the moral weight of the offence lies entirely with its supposed impact on those regarded as marginalised. |
| 1:08.5 | In a court of law, motivation or the lack of it is a key element in judging |
| 1:12.6 | the seriousness of a crime. In what sometimes called the culture wars, all that matters is what |
| 1:18.6 | affect the offences supposed to have on those who've taken it. So, Jamie down under in more ways than |
| 1:25.2 | one, but more, does a wrongdoer's intention matter morally? |
| 1:29.9 | That's our moral maze tonight. |
| 1:32.0 | The panel, Mona Siddiqui, professor of Islamic and inter-religious studies at Edinburgh University. |
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