Good morning, Greg.

Good morning.

All right.

We're just going to get started because I am terrible at small talk.

Yeah.

We don't need it.

We got so many good things to talk about.

Okay, so this first question comes from Anthony.

How do you answer the challenge that God does not need a, quote, pound of flesh to forgive sins?

He can just forgive the progressive argument against penal substitutionary atonement. These same people argue that the church originally did not

teach this and that Anselm invented it. Okay, Anselm is a thousand years after the beginning of the

church. I don't make my case for substitutionary atonement

from any church fathers. The church fathers were good about a lot of things, they were not so

good about other things. They were principally, especially the anti-Nicine fathers, those before the

Council of Nicaea, were focusing on other

problems. Who is Jesus? Was a true God, true man? And there were 300 years they spent talking

about that, trying to get that nailed down. It wasn't the main subject of discussion.

How do I or anyone else who holds this view develop it? We develop it from the text.

Okay, Peter in two places. I just read it the other day. First Peter cites Isaiah 53 as applying to Jesus.

And there are other references actually in Bill Craig's book on the Atonement, he cites

a massive number of references in the New Testament to Isaiah 53 being a prediction of Jesus.

When you read Isaiah 53, you cannot on any fair reading. You cannot

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