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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots. I'm Lucy Dunn and today I'm joined by James Heel and Tim Shippman.

Our Christmas issue is now out featuring names as diverse as Bonnie Blue, the Queen,

and Nigel Farage. And it's Nigel that we're going to be talking about today. Tim,

you have done an interview with the reform leader in the Christmas edition this year. What did

you learn about Nigel Farage, the person? Well, I think he, it's interesting.

I've seen a lot of people who are on the cusp of what they think is going to be a massive year, on the cusp of power.

But power seems still tantalisingly a long way away for Farage.

We talked before the last election about that whole image of Keirstama trying to cross a slippery floor, holding a Ming Vars in order to get to the win and get the victory over the line, get the majority, all of that.

Reform, in a sense, have picked up the Ming Vars quite early in this parliament, and they've got quite long way to go.

So there is a huge sense of excitement. There is a great sense of pride in Farage about what they've done and how far they've come and how they're gearing up and how they're professionalising. He took me around his office the whole thing. You know, we went in and out of every room. There's a tea towel of Herman van Rompuy in one room. There's a whole

room of people drumming up candidates in another, a job forage used to have to do himself,

and now doesn't. There's basically a TV studio. They're building a podcast studio. They've got

an enormous whiteboard with all of the key contests for the coming year on it. They've got a

smaller whiteboard with council

by-elections that week. So they're all across everything. It's, you know, there's a lot of young people in there. There's a lot of energy. And the man himself, I think, is quite excited about it all. But at the same time, there's a, you can't, you know, you look him in the eye and there's a slight sort of air of mild concern that this might all be

something that just collapses at some point. And the question is, you know, in his mind,

how does he scale up, you know, what has always been an insurgent kind of outfit into something

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