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Conversations with Coleman

“Does Color-Blindness Perpetuate Racism?” A Debate w/Jamelle Bouie

Conversations with Coleman

The Free Press

Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.5625 Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2023

⏱️ 70 minutes

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Summary

Today's episode is a recording of a debate that occurred a few weeks ago between me and Jamelle Bouie, who is a columnist for the New York Times. This debate was hosted by TED as well as Open to Debate, formerly known as Intelligence Squared. The motion was, "Does Colorblindness Perpetuate Racism?" Jamelle took the affirmative and I took the negative. Now there's a long backstory to this debate surrounding my recent TED Talk on color blindness and and I go into the details of this in the intro to the episode. I really recommend that you listen to the whole debate and do share your thoughts in the comments. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.

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me by liking and subscribing on YouTube and sharing the show

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with friends and family. As always, thank you so much for your support. Welcome to another

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episode of Conversations with Coleman. Today's episode is a recording of a debate that occurred a few

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weeks ago between me and Jamel Bowie, who is a

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columnist for the New York Times. This debate was hosted by TED, as well as open to debate, formerly

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known as Intelligence Squared. The motion was, does colorblindness perpetuate racism? Jamel took the

1:24.2

affirmative, and I took the negative. Now, there's a long backstory to this debate,

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and I'll give you guys the short version here. I gave a TED talk about colorblindness back in May,

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which was finally released about two weeks ago. From what I could tell on stage, the reaction

1:38.5

to my talk was largely positive, but I could see a handful of scowling faces out of the corner

1:43.5

of my eye. Following the talk, the handful of scowling faces out of the corner of my eye. Following the talk,

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the handful of scowling faces, some of which were internal to the TED organization, grew in number,

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and eventually demanded that my talk not be released. So after a long back and forth, we finally

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agreed that Ted would release my talk normally, but that my talk would be followed by a separate debate on the topic of colorblindness.

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Now, as you all know, I am more than happy to debate these topics, and I have actually actively sought out debates in the past.

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For instance, I offered to debate Ibram X. Kendi several years ago and donate all the proceeds to a charity of his choice,

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