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Does Christian Hedonism Confuse Joy and Faith?

Ask Pastor John

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John Piper, Unknown, 163859, Pastor, Ask, Theology, Desiring God, Religion & Spirituality/christianity, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Questions

4.83.8K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2014

⏱️ 8 minutes

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Summary

Does it muddy the water to say that saving faith must include joy in God? Or does it bring an extra note of clarity?

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0:00.0

Well, we get about 800 emails per month from listeners like you, 800 email questions.

0:11.3

And I wish we could answer more of the questions.

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And we do our best to keep up.

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Here's today's question.

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Hello, Pastor John.

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My name is Pedro and I pass your church in Granada, Spain.

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I would like to ask if there's a danger in Christian hedonism, confusing joy and faith.

0:28.0

There are dangers everywhere.

0:31.9

It would be a mistake to simply make joy and faith identical.

0:38.5

Not because faith doesn't include delight in God, but because faith, as the Bible presents

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it, is more than delight in God.

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So I've spent most of my ministry trying to get people to experience faith in such biblical

0:59.6

fullness that it has joy in God as its essence.

1:06.1

And so yes, the danger exists that this will be misunderstood as being the same as faith.

1:13.1

If I say it's the essence of faith, people might say, well, then it's the same as faith.

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So let me say a few things that I hope will minimize that danger and clarify what I mean

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by faith, including joy in God, but being more than joy in God.

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Historically, and I think this goes back at least to the Reformation, I think to the

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fathers, saving faith has been seen as these three things.

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The Latin words, notitcia, knowledge, ascences, ascent, a fiduciusia, trust, those three together

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make up saving faith.

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Faith has an object that it knows and faith ascents to the truth and the reliability of that

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