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Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist, Joel Waldman.

What's up, SDSDS Nation and welcome to another episode of Surviving The Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime and we are back on this Donna Adelson debacle that played out last week of course as you know me've known and myself were up in Tallahassee for it

and then watched it all kind of implode before our eyes but it may have benefited one person and that is Charlie Adelson of course who was convicted last November in the murder for hire plot of

FSU law professor Dan Markel.

So just to kind of walk everyone back

to how we got to where we're going today. Charlie Adelson's attorney, Mr.

Ufferman, he filed notice that Charlie was notifying the court that he had objected to Dan Rashbaum of course Donna and previously Charlie's defense attorney that he was objecting to Dan Rashbaum conducting a cross-examination of him because of Charlie because of his prior representation with Charlie.

Well, a lot of people think the real reason was it would hurt his appeal and that of course rippled out had a ripple effect and turned into Charlie objecting to Dan Rashbounds continued representation of Donna and all of a sudden we saw Dan step away from the case and you saw Donna's tears.

So it was pretty wild to watch in person and sit there and I can tell you

those were not crocodile tears. I saw him firsthand. That was Donna. I don't want to say she was sobbing, but quite upset. And almost

universally people agree that that is the least of their concerns that she's

upset so let me introduce the best guest here. Joe Petuto who once again

we're going to be talking about the appeals process tonight really honing in on that and the

professor was kind enough to send me some really interesting questions which I

will toss out to all three of the guests,

and you will get a law school education

on how the appellate process works,

but Joe Petuto is the Richard H Larson

professor of constitutional law emerita at the University of Nebraska College of Law.

She's taught all over the place.

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