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Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

Does Charismatic Worship Go Too Far?

Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

J.D. Greear

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9624 Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2023

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

This week, Pastor J.D. answers a question in his recent sermon: "Does charismatic worship go too far?"

Show Notes:

* Let me give you twin worship principles to hold in tension:

* Different cultures (and different personalities) have different ways of expressing emotion. Different cultures and different traditions have distinct ways of expressing emotion and reverence and worship, and that’s ok.
* I’ve learned this most as we’ve tried to make strides in becoming a multi-ethnic church. As you know, pursuing ethnic unity is much bigger than just worship style. But worship is one area where our church has learned a ton from various cultures being involved.

* For example, we have a lot of traditional Southern Baptists in our church. When they are really into it in church, they tend to sing with a lot of gusto. There’s not a lot of movement in their worship, and many of them can’t even clap on beat, but there’s plenty of volume, especially when we bring out those old hymns. If they get totally into it, they may even lift one arm for a moment like they are trying to ask a question. And if they are experiencing full-on revival, they’ll sway back and forth with both arms bent 90 degrees at the elbows, as if they’re carrying a giant, invisible microwave oven. And when I preach, they’ll let out punctuated, staccato “Amens” when I say something they think is powerful, especially if I alliterate it.
* Mixed in among them is a sizable number of people who grew up in churches that were a bit more loquacious with their sermon feedback.


* During worship, a lot of former Pentecostals add in some rhythmic clapping, shouting, and jumping that I don’t typically see from our members who grew up at First Baptist.
* Our Latino members combine this sanctified enthusiasm with what can only be called a supernatural endurance. For them, anything less than two hours of singing cannot legitimately be called “worship.” I’m serious: the first time I attended a service at our Summit en Español campus, I missed lunch with my family. And I think dinner, too.


* So here’s the question: Which of these is the correct, biblical way to worship? Amen.
* What is wrong is when we elevate our preferences and make them normative. Remember what God told Samuel earlier in 1 Samuel? Don’t judge the outside, Samuel “Man looks on the outside, but I look on the heart.”
* I grew up in a church with some of the godliest people I’ve ever known—many lived the most sacrificial lives; they were people of integrity; they were people of deep prayer, people who brought others to Jesus consistently—they were just quieter and less expressive.

* But I know people who would look at them self righteously and say, “They are not filled with the Spirit.” Man looks on the outside, but God looks on the heart.


* Here’s the other worship principle: All worship should have elements of passion and self-forgetfulness.

* Remember, “undignified” is the word David used in 2 Samuel 6:22.

* He said to Michal, “And I will make myself even more undignified than this when I worship…!” The word here implies self-forgetfulness.
* What David said is, ‘When I worship, I’m not going to think about what people are thinking about me; I’m going to think about what they are thinking about God.” It is true we all do things differently, but the corresponding truth is that all worship should contain elements of passion and self-forgetful expressiveness.




* More than 20x in Scripture we are encouraged, even commanded, to raise our hands in worship.

* Here’s just a few examples: Psalm 88:9, “I call for you every day, O Lord; I spread out my hands like a child toward you.” Psalm 143:6, “I spread out my hands to you.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everyone.

0:17.1

Hey, everyone, welcome to Ask Me Anything.

0:19.6

I am Matt Love, and I am not here with Pastor Jady Greer today.

0:25.3

Because, as you know, occasionally we like to pull some answers from sermons that J.D. has

0:31.7

preached that answer some questions that we know people are asking.

0:36.4

Obviously, J.D.'s preaching every week to the people of the summit and trying to answer questions that we know people are asking. Obviously, J.D.'s preaching every week to the people

0:38.5

of the summit and trying to answer questions that he knows that our church is asking. And so we thought

0:44.2

sometimes we could pull some of those answers and they could be really helpful for all of you as well.

0:48.9

And so a question we have today is, does charismatic worship go too far?

0:56.3

Let's listen to what J.D. has to say about that.

1:04.7

Let me give you twin worship principles that you need to hold intention.

1:09.4

Chances are, I'm going to give you two of them, okay?

1:12.8

If you like one of these, you're not going to like the other one.

1:15.4

So if you really like this first point, hang on.

1:18.5

And if you hate this first point, I got good news coming for you.

1:21.4

Okay, so here's, but they're both true.

1:24.0

You've got to hold them in tension.

1:24.9

Number one, different cultures and different

1:28.1

personalities have different ways of expressing emotion. And that's okay. Different cultures and

1:36.1

different traditions have different ways of expressing emotion and reverence and worship. And that's

1:40.0

okay. I've learned this most as we've tried to make strides and becoming a multi-ethnic church.

1:46.1

Now, as you know, pursuing multi-ethnicity is a whole lot bigger than just worship style,

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