If you take stock of the last four years of the Trump presidency, it's been good for big business. It's been good for Silicon Valley. It's been good for Wall Street.

But very few people in Big Business are willing to say that aloud in 2020. Why is that? Joining me to discuss as Vox Business and

Politics reporter Emily Stewart. So Emily I write a lot about Silicon Valley

leaders and Trump. You write a lot about Wall Street. about Silicon

Wall Street leaders in Trump. So let's sort of compare notes here.

What are you hearing from the business community quote-unquote

elites about how they're feeling about Trump

2020 and the prospects of a second term. My sense is like probably most of like

the richest of the rich would prefer a Donald Trump presidency

right like nobody wants to pay more taxes and there's a chance that if Biden

as president you might pay more taxes but But I think there is a very real difference

between Joe Biden being on the ticket

with Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren

potentially being on the ticket.

Like, you definitely have a sense. There's a little bit of a sigh of relief.

Take me back four years ago to 2016.

Where was the business community on Trump

four years ago.

It was like if Donald Trump wins the sky will fall

and the stock market will completely crash.

Like you can look back.

I wrote stories being like the stock market will crash

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