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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, Expectator's Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Katie Balls and I'm joined by James Forsyth and Cindy U.

So does the UK have a race problem?

According to a report from the Commission on Race and Ethnic Disparities, no. This is a review set up by number 10 and the results James, I think it's fair to say, are fairly positive for

the Government Commission for review.

Yeah, so I think that it is essentially concluding that Britain is, in terms of white majority countries, is doing well on creating a multiracial society, multiracial democracy.

Now, I think there is what we couldn't call the paradox of progress there.

I think race relations in Britain are clearly far better and opportunities of people of non-white backgrounds in the UK are clearly better than they were 50 years ago, clearly better than they were 30 years ago, clearly better than they were 10 years ago or even five years ago, I would say.

Does that mean that every single problem is solved? Obviously not.

One point the report makes, I think, is helpful is, and that the spectator leader echoes this,

which is the idea of whites and bane people is, I think, an unhelpful prism.

Because I think if you look into, and the report backs this up, different ethnic minority

groups face different challenges.

And I think that understanding what those different challenges are makes it easier to respond to them.

But I think there is also a point here, which is, I think saying that the UK is doing much better

than it was a generation ago doesn't mean you're saying that there are no problems.

I mean, I think the problem with the reaction to the problem with the whole, with these debates is they too quickly turn into a

question one way or the other. You either have to say that Britain is a racist country or you

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