Well, hello from Boston. I'm Chuck Todd, cast. My guest today is Nathan Gonzales.

He's the editor and publisher of Inside Elections. It's one of my favorite go-to

places for analysis, particularly of Senate and House races, as well as presidential

and gubernatorial races as well.

Before we get started, remember to stick around for another listener question,

and please remember to submit your questions to the Chuck Toddcast at gmail. com don't forget the the so with that I don't see any

other better idea than to just dive in I don't have a special take or anything. Nathan here we are.

We're we're a let's see here time stamp this. It is the 24th of September. We are, so basically a month and a week is essentially where we are.

And I'll just give you my two cents on how I looked at our NBC News poll and then I want to go big and then go

granular with you because that's what you do so well.

I think it's safe to say when you look at our poll as well as a lot of the other numbers that are out there that she won the debate

she got a bump from the debate

dare we say she might even be ahead right now

rather than sort of a little bit.

And the question I have is this peak Harris.

Are we at her? and we at a peak. I think the most

fascinating finding in our poll is how identical she looks to Biden in 2020 at almost this exact period of time right down

to their personal favorable ratings and what I took away from that, Nathan, is that so far she has effectively made this a referendum on Trump.

And she has become the alternative to Trump, not necessarily Biden's vice president.

And I will say this, I think that is the contest for the next six weeks.

Can Donald Trump connect her back to Joe Biden and can she keep

her distance from Biden? Because right now I think the voters want to judge her

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