Welcome to Follow Him, a weekly podcast dedicated to helping individuals and families with their

Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh,

we want to learn and laugh with you. As together we follow him. My friends welcome to another

episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith. I am here with my illustrious co-host, John by the

way. Welcome, John. Always excited to hear which adjective I am today. Yes. Now I have to look it up.

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John, we have the incredible opportunity each week to meet with a great mind in the church. And we

have that opportunity again this week. Tell us who's here with us. Oh, we are here today with Barbara

Morgan Gardner. Barbara thoroughly enjoys teaching religion at BYU. She's teaching the doctrine

of covenants, the eternal family and the teachings of the living prophets. Her research interests

focus primarily on women in religious leadership, international education, most specifically Latin

America and religious pedagogy. That's another word, Hank, maybe you could define for us pedagogy.

Yes. I think it's about bicycling, I think. She's the author of the book, The Priested Power of

Women in the Temple Church and Family. Barbara received her PhD in Instructional Psychology.

Her master's degree is in Educational Leadership and Foundations with an emphasis on

International Education Development. She completed postdoctoral work at Harvard University.

She served as Institute Director in Boston, which included her assignment as I love this, the

Chaplin at both Harvard and MIT. She continues to serve as the Chaplin at large and higher education

for the LDS church. She also serves on the BYU Interfaith Outreach Council. Before teaching at BYU,

she worked as a seminary and institute teacher as well as a researcher for the church educational

system. She was born and raised in Salem, Oregon, served a Spanish-speaking mission in the Los

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