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Come Follow Me study. I'm Hank Smith and I'm John by the way. We love to learn, we love to laugh.

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Hello my friends, welcome to another episode of Follow Him. My name is Hank Smith.

I am your host. I am here with my wise co-host John by the way. John, I was looking in section 109 and

the Lord says to seek out words of wisdom. And to me, that's just the words of John by the way.

Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah.

Words of wisdom. Like the old owl in Winnie the Pooh, not the old owl. Just the owl.

No, I think the old part, you got it right there. You are not old. You don't count as old.

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rate and review the podcast. That actually helps us quite a bit. John, we are on a seminal

two sections of the doctrine covenant. Huge sections of the doctrine covenant. And so we had to

get someone who could could live up to those sections. So tell us who's with us today. Yes, thank

you. Today we have Dr. Brent M. Rogers. He's a historian and a documentary editor for the

Joseph Smith papers. And that right there tells you something. He earned a bachelor's degree with

honors in history from San Diego State, a master's in public history from California State University

Sacramento and a PhD with emphasis in 19th century United States history from the University of Nebraska.

Lincoln. He's he's been everywhere. He's the author of listen to this title, a distinction between

Mormons and Americans, Mormon Indian missionaries, federal Indian policy and the Utah war,

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