Welcome to part two of this week's podcast.

Give us a quick background on Joseph Smith Senior from Dr. Dirk Ma.

It's clear that Joseph Smith has a close relationship with his father, that one in which his father

both trusts and understands Joseph and that Joseph trusts him.

Much of this is coming from Lucy Smith's account of things, but she's the one who tells

us that Joseph, when he's having his operation, wants his dad to hold them.

It is his father that Joseph tells about this vision that he's had.

And to his father's credit, his father says, you better go do what that angel told you to

do then.

I don't know that I would have the same reaction.

If my son came to me and said, dad, I just saw an angel.

I'd be like, okay, how much money do you need to have this conversation?

I don't know that my reaction would be to believe that that's the case.

And my kids know what I'd say back, well, why don't you go tell your mother?

Tell the angel that until he appears to mom, it doesn't matter.

The reality is that they're clearly close, right?

And it's interesting because I don't want to say this in a very negative way.

But by the world's standards, by the standards of the world, right?

Who we know, you know, look upon the outward appearance, right?

But it's God who judges by the heart.

By the world's standards, Joseph's senior in many ways is a failure.

He is not a competent farmer.

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