You know, usually we talk about controversial issues, but we decided to take a week off that and talk about something

that won't piss anyone off. It's three guys talking about abortion.

Hello and welcome to Trigonometry. I'm Francis Foster. I'm Constantin Kissen.

And this is a show for you if you want honest conversations with fascinating people.

Our brilliant guest today is a medical doctor and a researcher at the University of Oxford

specializing in medical ethics. Dr. Kalamil, welcome to Trigonometry.

Thank you so much for having me here. It's great to have you on the show before we get into it.

I should say, you know, usually we talk about controversial issues, but we decided to take a week off that

and talk about something that won't piss anyone off. It's three guys talking about abortion.

Right. That's great. Before we get into that, though, tell everybody a little bit about who are you,

how you where you are, what has been your journey through life that leads you to be sitting here talking to us?

Sure. Well, thank you so much. And thank you to everyone who's listening for having the patience to hear

three men talking about abortion, which I can appreciate can be a little bit sort of incongruous.

So I'm really grateful for you for having me here.

I guess I was always surprised to be in this position. I never thought I'd end up speaking most of my life about this topic.

I'd grew up in a fairly liberal family that never heard anything about this topic at home or at school.

And really it was only at university that I even began to think about this topic.

I was never pro-life. I didn't kind of have any particularly strong opinions about the topic.

But as I went through medical school, it was the kind of thing as a doctor, you have to have some sort of opinion on.

You have to think something about abortion because you might be asked to refer for one or to take part in one and so on.

And so it was something that I began to grapple with.

And as I did this, I was kind of surprised because I had always grown up as a fairly left-leaning person.

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