Do you vote for someone for what it does for you or what it does for people who you care about?

It's got to be the latter, right?

But I think we're stuck in the first.

And I think maybe we're playing two different games, right? Maybe I think we're stuck in the first. And I think like, and I think that, and I think maybe we're

playing two different games, right? Maybe that's why we keep losing. Hi, everyone. This is the

best people with Nicole Wallace. When I set out to have a podcast, one of the things I wanted to do was

inch my way ever closer to my most favorite sport. Because if I were not a cable news

host, if I weren't lucky enough to have that job and this one as a new podcaster, I would do

everything in my power to work anywhere near the NBA for a team in the front office, in the laundry

room, maybe not the laundry room. You know what I'm saying. One of the people I love watching

in the NBA is current head coach of the Milwaukee Bucks, Doc Rivers. He won a championship for

the Celtics. He's not afraid to use his voice when it is necessary and helpful. So we were thrilled

to get to talk to him for this episode. This is the best people with Nicole Wallace,

and this is Doc Rivers. Thank you so much for making time for us today. Oh, thank you,

Nicole. Thanks for having me, number one. And if I wasn't in basketball, what you don't know about me is I think I would be in politics.

I think so, too. Or maybe I would cover politics. I think that's the safer route, but I'm not so sure anymore about that.

Well, the last time we talked, I was wearing a We the People sweater,

and you were wearing, I think it was real men vote for a woman, right? Yeah, yeah. And we had so much hope.

And it didn't go our... That went so well. That would really well for us. It didn't go our way,

but I wonder what from sports, what from the highest level of one of the most intense sports on the planet,

do you know from a game or a season not going your way that the pro-democracy side

might apply to this political moment? Yeah, it does. You know, I guess the difference is,

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