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Pop Pantheon

Do You Still Listen to Kanye West and Michael Jackson? (with Tre Johnson & Kemi Olivia Alemoru)

Pop Pantheon

DJ Louie XIV

Music Commentary, Music, Pop Culture, Pop, Pop Music

4.7630 Ratings

🗓️ 14 March 2024

⏱️ 86 minutes

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Summary

Host and culture writer for Dazed, Vogue and more, Kemi Olivia Alemoru, and writer on race, culture and politics and author of the upcoming book Black Genius, Tre Johnson, join the show to discuss how we as critics and the public interface with the work of famous pop stars who have done awful things. Kemi, Tre and Louie dig into the complex legacies of Kanye West and Michal Jackson in particular, parsing apart how darker revelations about each of their characters have impacted how they think about their legacies, how cultural commentators should talk about them and their own personal listening habits. They also attempt to figure out a universal rubric for how and when we should separate art from artist.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Pop Pantheon, the podcast, where we completely overanalyze all of your favorite pop stars and then rank them in the official Pop Pantheon.

0:17.3

This is your host, DJ Louis X.

0:19.3

It's reminding you to please rate, review, and subscribe to Pop Pantheon wherever you are listening to it right now. We are on Instagram and

0:26.9

Twitter at Pop Pantheon Pod. I am at DJ, L-O-U-I-E-X-I-V, and we have merch at Poppantheon

0:32.6

and Patreon at Patreon.com slash Pop Pantheon for weekly bonus episodes of the show.

0:39.1

Last week, we were discussing Ariana Grande's Eternal Sunshine.

0:43.1

That's a great episode, a great addition to our series that just came out about her.

0:46.6

And also I have a big announcement about that, which is that as some of you might have

0:49.9

noticed already, we know some people have already subscribed, but we haven't plugged it yet,

0:53.2

but the bonus episodes are now available in Apple Podcasts in the main feed. You can get the audio only by

1:00.4

subscribing directly in Apple Podcasts, and all of the episodes, the bonus episodes will appear

1:05.6

in the same feed as the rest of these episodes. So all you have to do is hit subscribe. You can Apple

1:10.0

pay. It's very easy. So if Patreon isn't good for you, this is a good alternative. We're really excited that we've been able to get that together for everyone. So Pop Pantheon, all access, weekly bonus episodes, either at patreon.com slash Pop Pantheon, click the link in the show notes of this episode or subscribe for audio only directly in the app. All right, some housekeeping. And I know

1:28.9

this is a lot of housekeeping, but I promise it's all exciting housekeeping. Pop Pantheon is hiring.

1:34.4

Yes, we are looking for a new audio editor, freelance. If this is you or a friend of yours,

1:41.9

we would obviously ideally like to work with somebody that's already familiar

1:45.1

with the show, but we're looking for freelance audio editors. So if this is you or somebody you know,

1:52.0

please email us at Poppantheon Pod at gmail.com. Tell us a little bit about yourself and let's set up a

1:58.0

time to talk. Maybe you can come work with us a little bit. Again,

2:01.4

this is a call out for freelance audio editors. Poppathyon pot at gmail.com. Reach out to us and let's

2:08.6

see if we can work together. Okay. upcoming events on March 23rd, Gorgeous, Gorgeous L.A. is

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happening at Los Globos in Silver Lake. Tickets for that are available in the show notes of this episode. Of course, Poppanthian Live, tortured poets and the state of Taylormania with myself, Brittany Spanos, Hunter Harris, and Nora Prince Yaddi is happening at the Bell House in Brooklyn. As of recording, this is almost sold out. Perhaps it will be actually sold out by the time you listen to it. If there are still tickets available, you can get them in the show notes of this episode. And then the big announcement is that that same weekend,

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