Okay, folks, here's part two of our two-part interview with Dr. Terese Rowley.

So if you missed the first one, you might want to tune in, and that's podcast number 301.

But on this one, Dr. Terese identifies Kathy as something called Clarcension, which basically says that she feels the

emotional states of others. And she challenges me to, and I quote, if I wasn't such a deep feeler,

I wouldn't need these walls that I built up. So kind of hits this on a personal note, but it's a wonderful interview.

And then lastly, she talks about children and how a lot of kids who are hyperactive.

She has a lot of really good tools that don't consist of traditional medication.

And it's really interesting. So hopefully you enjoyed as much as we medication. And it's really interesting.

So hopefully you enjoyed as much as we did.

And here we go, Dr. Terese Rowley.

It doesn't matter so much.

Interesting.

So we're trying to align people so that what matters to them,

it's detachment, it's release.

Interesting.

And something that, and again, through practice, I used to, if I was with

somebody and I matched what was going on with them, not only would I feel it, I would carry it out

with me and I would get into significant depressions because I didn't know how to, you know,

this was historically, this was, you know, in our 30s when we were first together.

And there were lots of other things going on.

I'm not saying that person gave it to me.

It's not like that.

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