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Do women feel the cold more than men?

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BBC

Business, Mathematics, Science, News Commentary, News

4.63.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 August 2025

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

Are office temperatures set too low in the summer for women to be comfortable? This idea has featured in news headlines and comedy videos which describe the summer as a “women’s winter”. But is there evidence behind the claims of a gender bias in air conditioning? To find out, we speak to Gail Brager, Director of the Center for Environmental Design Research at UC Berkeley, and Boris Kingma, a senior researcher at CNO, the Netherlands Applied Research Institute.

Presenter: Lizzy McNeill Producer: Nicholas Barrett Series producer: Tom Colls Production co-ordinator: Rosie Strawbridge Sound mix: James Beard Editor: Richard Vadon

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0:28.6

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0:35.3

We're the program that looks at the numbers in the news, life and communal

0:39.2

work environments. And I'm Lizzie McNeil. Now, we're recording this in the BBC's offices in

0:46.3

Broadcasting House in London, and I've got a complaint to make. It's the middle of summer,

0:51.3

but for some reason, the office's temperature has been set to the ideal resting temperature of a bag of frozen peas.

0:57.0

I could be exaggerating. Whatever, it's chilly.

1:00.0

At least, I think it is.

1:02.0

Although some of my colleagues are wearing shorts, it's madness.

1:05.0

But it's not just me that thinks this.

1:08.0

In fact, summertime in the office is jokingly known as women's winter,

1:12.4

as demonstrated here in a viral video from comedy group Dropout.

1:16.1

When spring turns to summer and there's blossom on the trees, the office air duct turned to ice

1:23.7

and all the women freeze. I don't know. I'm pretty comfortable.

1:29.5

A quick Google will show you plenty of headlines talking about this and claiming that

1:33.3

women prefer temperatures up to 2.5 degrees warmer than men.

1:37.5

But is this true? And if so, why?

1:41.4

The research is quite clear on this. We have seen that women have a higher prevalence of being uncomfortable because they are cold in the office place.

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