Do We Really Want To Get Back To Normal? with John Grossenbacher

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Dr. Mark Hyman

Health & Fitness, Nutrition, Medicine

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🗓️ 15 June 2020

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

“I can’t breathe” has become a powerful phrase to symbolize the problem of systemic racism and unchecked prejudiced violence in our country. It’s also a powerful metaphor for the weight of how people feel when it comes to the social, economic, and healthcare inequalities that continue to thrive. And in the age of COVID-19, we keep hearing people say they can’t wait to get back to normal. But if this is what normal has looked like, do we really want it? It’s time for us to get more involved than ever before to create a new normal that includes social justice, civil rights, and compassion.

On this episode of The Doctor’s Farmacy, I talked with John Grossenbacher about how to begin this reimagining of America and so much more. John is a Navy veteran, was the Captain of a nuclear attack submarine, and rose to be a Vice Admiral and Commander of the US Submarine Forces. Following the Navy, John became the Director of the Department of Energy’s Idaho National Laboratory (INL). INL is a sprawling industrial-scale research facility that covers 900 square miles and employs 4,000 people. There he led science and engineering research in energy, environmental, national, and homeland security fields. He also advised Governors, Senators, Congressmen, state, and local leaders in the region and Canada on energy, environmental, and homeland security matters.

Here are more of the details from our interview:

Saving the idea of America (3:08)

Monopolization of wealth and industry in America (5:29)

Managing our way out of the coronavirus pandemic with competence and compassion (8:37)

Reforming America’s broken systems (12:26)

They mythology of America and the American dream (16:28)

Creating a culture of values (22:55)

The impact of technology on our lives (25:39)

Do we really want to get back to normal? (28:48)

Reforming the food system and why you can’t separate the food system from politics (32:13)

Learning from history and science, and John’s book recommendations include, “American Gospel” by John Meacham, “Thinking in Systems” by Donella H. Meadows, and “Trust” by Francis Fukuyama (48:53)

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0:00.0	Coming up on this episode of the doctor's pharmacy.
0:02.8	Really good history informs us in a way that nothing else goes.
0:12.4	Welcome to the doctor's pharmacy. I'm Dr. Mark Heimann, and that's pharmacy with an FFAR
0:17.6	MACY, a place for conversations that matter. And if you care about where America's going,
0:23.4	after this horrible episode we're having in this moment, COVID-19,
0:29.8	economic catastrophe, the results from it and the social unrest that we're seeing today.
0:34.8	Then this conversation is when you want to listen closely to because we're an extraordinary man,
0:39.2	a man who's spent his life serving our country, John Grossenbacher, who's a Navy veteran,
0:44.2	he's a submarine, he was a captain of a nuclear attack submarine, and he rose to be the vice admiral
0:49.2	and commander of the US submarine forces. So he was in charge of all the nuclear submarines
0:54.4	that were pointed Russia and quite an extraordinary, extraordinary history of service to his
1:01.9	country. He's led in the military, an organization of 25,000 people. He went around the world,
1:10.0	around the country, served multiple times in the Pentagon, worked with executive branch
1:14.2	congressional leaders. And then after the Navy, he became the director of the Department of
1:18.0	Energy's Idaho National Laboratory, where I used to work in Idaho as a family doctor and he
1:23.6	knows a little town or if you know I spent many years as a small town family doc. And it's an
1:29.3	incredible facility, it employs 4,000 people and 900 square miles. And he led a science and
1:35.2	engineering research and energy, environmental, national, homeland security. He's advised
1:39.6	governors, senators, congressmen, state and local leaders, aiming internationally on energy,
1:45.2	environmental and homeland security matters. And he's married to a very good friend of mine,
1:50.0	Tracy Godette, who's an extraordinary woman, is how I got to know him. And she or quite a power
1:56.5	couple. Tracy was the head of the VA's office of patient experience to try to help improve the
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