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The Inquiry

Do we need a new Nato?

The Inquiry

BBC

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4.61.7K Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

European leaders have had cause to rethink their roles within Nato recently, in light of statements coming from the US Government. The Trump administration’s dealings with Russia to try and broker a peace deal in Ukraine, have called into question America’s support for the alliance. But whilst the Trump administration say they are not pulling out of Nato and remain committed to the defence partnership with Europe, they have warned that they will "no longer tolerate an imbalanced relationship which encourages dependency".

Nato currently asks member states to spend at least 2% on defence, but US President Donald Trump has consistently told European allies to spend much more than that target. The alliance’s famous Article 5 holds that Nato members will come to the defence of an ally which comes under attack and the assumption has always been that the US would continue to be the anchoring power. But now Europe’s leaders are having to consider whether they could potentially go it alone without American military aid. So, do we need a new Nato?

This week's experts include John Deni, author and research professor, US Army War College Strategic Studies Institute, USA; Rachel Ellehuus, director-general, The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI), London, UK; Toomas Hendricks Ilves, Former President of Estonia, professor at Tartu University; Estonia, Irina Borogan, deputy editor Agentura.ru, non-resident senior fellow, The Centre for European Policy Analysis, London, UK.

Presenter: Tanya Beckett Producer: Jill Collins Researcher: Katie Morgan Editor: Tara McDermott Technical Producer: Craig Boardman Production co-ordinator: Janet Staples and Liam Morrey

(Photo: Nato Secretary General Mark Rutte participates in a bilateral meeting with U.S. Vice President JD Vance (not pictured) at the Commerzbank in Munich, Germany, 14 February, 2025. Credit: Leah Mills/Reuters)

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0:00.0

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on BBC Sounds. Welcome to The Inquiry. I'm Tanya Beckett.

0:42.4

Each week, one question, four expert witnesses and an answer.

0:50.4

On the 13th of March, the leader of the world's most powerful military alliance found himself in a desperate bid to keep his organisation relevant in the context of global security.

0:58.1

NATO chief Mark Rutter met with US President Donald Trump at the White House in an attempt to

1:04.3

keep America, NATO's most powerful member, at the centre of the organisation.

1:10.9

Trump's forthright moves to cut a peace deal between Kiev and Moscow

1:15.1

and threats to pull out from providing US military aid

1:18.8

have left European states scrambling to work out how they can go it alone

1:23.7

without American support.

1:26.6

This week on the inquiry, we're asking, do we need a new NATO?

1:34.2

Part 1, Article 5.

1:39.3

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation is a group of 32 countries that agree to defend each other

1:45.5

in the circumstance that one is attacked.

1:48.8

It was formed in 1949 to counter the threat of the Soviet Union,

1:53.8

and the original alliance included the United States, Canada, and several Western European countries.

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