Do Never Trumpers Matter? We Asked Adam Kinzinger

On with Kara Swisher

New York Magazine

News Commentary, News, Society & Culture

4.2 • 2.2K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2023

⏱️ 60 minutes

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After Kara and Nayeema discuss Dianne Feinstein’s death and her legacy as a leader, we turn to Kara's interview with Adam Kinzinger. The former Republican congressman has said he would only vote for Trump in one scenario: if his opponent were Satan. Once a rising star in the Tea Party, Kinzinger is now a leading voice inside the GOP’s anti-Trump cohort. He was one of only ten House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump after January 6, 2021 — and, like many of his peers, he paid a high price: his seat in Congress. We discuss whether his political sacrifice was worth it, what happens in the “Trump Resistance” text chain and why so many Republicans won’t come out against Trump — even when they see him as a threat to democracy. This conversation was taped live at the Texas Tribune Festival on September 22, 2023. Questions or comments? Email us at [email protected] or find us on social media. We’re on Instagram/Threads as @karaswisher and @nayeemaraza Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:30.0	Hi everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.
0:46.2	This is on with Cara Swisher and I'm Cara Swisher and I'm Neymaraza.
0:50.3	Our guest today is former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger, but we're taping this Friday
0:55.0	morning and a little over an hour ago.
0:58.5	Some other news broke, that's very important for Capitol Hill, Dianne Feinstein passed
1:02.5	away Thursday evening at 90 years old.
1:05.1	She served 30 years in the Senate and was your senator.
1:07.6	Yes, she was.
1:08.6	I'm in San Francisco right now, so I'm curious.
1:10.6	In the meeting of a bunch of San Francisco officials, I mean, she was a legendary politician
1:15.0	here in the city and for the state of California, but she, of course, took over when Harvey
1:21.2	Milk was assassinated along with Mayor Moscone in a terrible, I mean, I'm going to name
1:26.3	the guy who shot him.
1:27.3	He was a crazy person who was also on the Board of Supervisors and she really handled
1:34.3	things.
1:35.3	It was such a moment and she stepped up as a leader and led the city for many years and
1:40.2	then moved on to a higher office, really pioneering in so many ways.
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