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🗓️ 24 November 2024
⏱️ 78 minutes
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0:00.0 | There's this tension between movements and parties, and they aren't for the same things. |
0:03.6 | Like, they've never been for the same things. |
0:05.0 | Like, abolitionists protested Lincoln. |
0:07.6 | Labor movement protested Roosevelt. |
0:09.4 | Civil Rights Movement protested LBJ. |
0:11.5 | Act up protested Clinton. |
0:13.2 | Like, this is American history. |
0:14.7 | It's a big country. |
0:15.7 | People had a lot of demands. |
0:17.0 | And wishing away all of civil society when Trump is about to crack down on those same activists |
0:22.2 | is kind of, yeah, an overly simplistic explanation, I think, and not helpful. |
0:34.6 | I'm John Favreau. |
0:35.8 | And you just heard from today's guest, longtime progressive strategist and former spokesperson for Justice Democrats, Waleed Shaheed. |
0:42.7 | So in the true spirit of this show, Wolle and I attempted to take an online debate offline because online debates are stupid and offline debates are better, which is a lesson I will |
0:55.2 | apparently never learn. |
0:57.3 | Learn the hard way yet again. |
0:59.2 | Listen. |
0:59.5 | And then I have a conversation like this and I'm like, I was right. |
1:03.3 | Me? |
1:04.1 | Listen to yourself next time. |
1:05.4 | Here's the thing. |
1:06.1 | Every time you learn that lesson, it produces a great podcast. |
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