meta_pixel
Tapesearch Logo
Log in
CrowdScience

Do animals have consciousness?

CrowdScience

BBC

Science

4.81K Ratings

🗓️ 19 June 2020

⏱️ 37 minutes

🧾️ Download transcript

Summary

What exactly it means to be conscious has long been a question of profound debate amongst philosophers, and more recently, scientists. There are no easy answers, and it gets even trickier when you start asking whether animals are conscious: how can you find out about their subjective experience when they can’t tell you about it?

Never afraid to tackle the impossible, CrowdScience is looking for answers after listener Natalie got in touch. She has lived with her cat for years and has a strong sense that he has thoughts and feelings: he has his own personality, acts in complex ways, and even has ‘grumpy days’. But is this consciousness? Is there any way of scientifically testing for it? How different from our own inner world is that of a cat, an octopus, or a bumblebee? And if we can find any answers to these puzzling questions, how does that affect the way we treat animals - not just our pets, but all the animals we share our planet with?

We meet Natalie and her cat, and discover how scientists have explored the minds of pigs, cows and cuttlefish. Helping us ponder the elusive question of animal consciousness are philosopher Peter Godfrey-Smith, neuroscientist Anil Seth, animal welfare expert Donald Broom, ethicist Jessica Pierce, and comparative psychologist Alex Schnell.

Featuring David Seddon as the voice of Chicco the Cat.

Presented by Anand Jagatia and Produced by Cathy Edwards for BBC World Service.

(Photo: Black Cat. Credit: Getty Images)

Transcript

Click on a timestamp to play from that location

0:00.0

Take some time for yourself with soothing classical music from the mindful mix, the Science of

0:07.0

Happiness Podcast.

0:08.0

For the last 20 years I've dedicated my career to exploring the science of living a happier more meaningful life and I want

0:14.4

to share that science with you.

0:16.1

And just one thing, deep calm with Michael Mosley.

0:19.4

I want to help you tap in to your hidden relaxation response system and open the door to that

0:25.4

calmer place within. Listen on BBC Sounds.

0:30.0

Hello Chico, how are you today?

0:37.0

Hmm?

0:38.0

Did you sleep well?

0:40.0

This is Crowd Science from the BBC World Service, the show that combines curiosity with this week, cats.

0:47.6

Do you have a little bit of a lazy day today?

0:50.4

I'm An Anan Jagatier, and this is our listener Natalie with Chico the cat at home in Germany

0:56.7

Tell me Chico. What are you thinking?

1:00.3

Well, I'm thinking that you have quite a weird smell. I'm going to have to clean myself afterwards, but I'll just relax for a bit longer.

1:12.0

I put some food out for you so you can eat something if you like.

1:15.4

Maybe later. Just going to go back to sleep now.

1:21.4

If you don't mind.

1:25.0

Full disclosure here, we had to get Chico's inner thoughts voiced by an actor,

1:29.0

and we can't be 100% sure those were his real thoughts.

1:32.0

But in this program, we are going to try our best to get

1:35.2

into the heads of other animals because of a question that Natalie sent to us.

...

Please login to see the full transcript.

Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from BBC, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.

Generated transcripts are the property of BBC and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.

Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.